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"Product support customer service--i didn't WANT to lie BUT they told me too"

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Former Employee - Product Support, Field Service Sales in Los Angeles, CA (US)

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Positive Outlook

I worked at Thermotron full-time (More than 10 years)

Pros

the management said it was Ok to lie cheat steal embezzle and defraud the customer and your co worker's because "everyone is a manager " and the managers backstabber the employee's, embezzling is encouraged, a few hundred a week is OK, because field sales and service is an expense, and stealing and lying binds the thermotron "team" together,

Cons

Who will hear things like "i heard about you" meaning it's bad, or "somebody said this or that about you-- BUT -- didn't believe it, and i lied for you, the management LOVES to dig 4 dirt on everyone, and they protect the liars, and deceivers, -- people say -- let me talk to them and get close so we can find out what is "really-going-on", expect everyone to be dishonest and lie to you-- as the motto is it dosen't mat… Show More

Advice to Management

the employee'e in the remote office's last about a year, the management gets them to distrust each outer and call them up whan they have dirt, and reward the employee, by telling them to work some overtime as a reward, and keep an eye out, for problems with the attitude of the co worker they just defrauded

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Positive Outlook

I worked at Thermotron full-time (More than 10 years)

Pros

it is required to be a dishonest deceitful liar thief and embezzler, because then the company owns you

 the average level of thief is high per year,

Daniel j O'Keeffe brought a whole new lever to the industry, and this was passed down to every manager following

when he and his management staff was asked what they budgeted for thief and embezzlement - everyone got petty and vindictive,
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Cons

management is focused on the mushroom style - they keep everyone in the dark and feed them sh*t, they make every effort to build-a-case-against the embloyee's and any one who is a pet , is a dishones spy, who braggs that it "dosen't matter what you say about nanyone, or do to any co woker or the customer so long as you get away with it and blame it on some one else, evrone- is considered-a dime a dozen--

Advice to Management

daniel j okeefe brought a whole new level of curruption to the industry, and this was followed up with ronald Lampton, they lie to everyone , employee'e the customer and competition, it is normal to defraud employee'e who leave, and the competition

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   Thomas bannach and Hil sybesma

   found “Religion” and now is some type of a judgemental know-it-all

   Be wary and protect yourself. Don’t share personal information or secrets with someone you do not absolutely trust. Be kind to everyone, but be choosy when it comes to developing close friendships. This is not snobbery, this is wisdom.

   
   
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5. OK to lie cheat steal embezzle and miss lead your co workers so long as you assassinate their character and murder them -- It's All good
6. Religious judgement and commentary–with holland michigan dutch and christian reformed

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   that teaches that

   “all that is required for ones “salvation”

   is to ask God to

   “be my personal Lord and Savior”

   may make one all warm and fuzzy inside.

   But it will not get one to heaven

   . It will not bring of itself salvation.

   — commentary

   “””Believing that anyone can or will attain participation in Christ Glory without first sharing in Christ Passion and suffering is a naïve, foolish, even nonsensical teachings of mortal men; “””

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   "field service (engineer) sales product support 35 years"

   StarStarStarStarStar

   Former Employee - Product Support in San Jose, CA

    

    

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   Positive Outlook

   I worked at Thermotron full-time (More than 10 years)

   Pros

   it is required to be a dishonest deceitful liar thief and embezzler, because then the company owns you
   
    the average level of thief is high per year,
   
   Daniel j O'Keeffe brought a whole new lever to the industry, and this was passed down to every manager following
   
   when he and his management staff was asked what they budgeted for thief and embezzlement - everyone got petty and vindictive,
   <br… Show More

   Cons

   management is focused on the mushroom style - they keep everyone in the dark and feed them sh*t, they make every effort to build-a-case-against the embloyee's and any one who is a pet , is a dishones spy, who braggs that it "dosen't matter what you say about nanyone, or do to any co woker or the customer so long as you get away with it and blame it on some one else, evrone- is considered-a dime a dozen--

   Advice to Management

   daniel j okeefe brought a whole new level of curruption to the industry, and this was followed up with ronald Lampton, they lie to everyone , employee'e the customer and competition, it is normal to defraud employee'e who leave, and the competition

    

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1. Jun 9, 2016

   

   "30 years as a product support field service sales technician (meet Ed Flower)"

   StarStarStarStarStar

   Former Employee - Product Support in Holland, MI

    

    

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   Positive Outlook

   I worked at Thermotron full-time (More than 10 years)

   Pros

   the management really dosent care about what is going on so long as you don't get them in "trouble" the management like it when you tell them that you "lied" for them as hil sybesma demenstrated you can lie to the customer or your co workers and lead them astray, becasue it is also ok to embezzle and cheat on your labor time and you travel time and pad your expenses, because then you are "one-of-the-gang"

   Cons

   you can not trust anyone you work with -- people are taught to look for "dirt" on their co worker's , the management braggs their style is .1 if someone does a good job they will lie and say it was a bad job, 2. if some one needs help they will lie and say that the employee does not need help.. and if a start of or repair of equipment is going "BAD" than stay away -- so you will not get blamed, backstabbing is a big … Show More

   Advice to Management

   employee's are a dime-a-dozen, and they don't give you raises for job performance, and are trained to find something to blame on the worker, so they can tell you maybe next year it will go better

    
2. Mar 15, 2016

   

   "10 years sales detroit GED - my lips are moving- liar"

   StarStarStarStarStar

   Former Employee - Field Sales Service in Detroit, MI

    

    

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   Positive Outlook

   I worked at Thermotron (More than 10 years)

   Pros

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   the performance that they reward stick a straw into the back of the customers head and
   remove his brains until his skull caves in

   Cons

   the sales dept traiies to figure out how not to pay the bonus -- at one time it was quartly-- but becasue of high turn over in sales and field service -- they made it yearly- because people figured out that they were getting the short end of the stick

   Advice to Management

   yes after 35 years in this business-- everyone brags about the lies they tell the customer and their co worker-- and it takes awhile to get into the "inner-circle" and deceite and deception is a learning process, and if you don't fit they drum you out and slander you and say "well we didn't lose much" bla-bla bla, just figure you are being lied to -- and you are probably correct

    

 

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1. Jan 15, 2016

   

   "product support field service"

   StarStarStarStarStar

   Former Employee - Product Support Field Service Detroit in Detroit, MI

    

    

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   Positive Outlook

   I worked at Thermotron full-time (More than 8 years)

   Pros

   you dont have to work very hard- and it is easy to change solionids to fix a leak. and you can make extra on equipment start ups

   Cons

   it is a dead end job- and they dont give raises, and the customers dont know that we all just lie to them about every thing

   Advice to Management

   this has got to be the most dishonest group of people i have ever met- and they like it if you rat out your co worker, and they will believe what lies you tell them- and don't do any follow up

    
2. Oct 27, 2015

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   "field service technician"

   StarStarStarStarStar

   Former Employee - Field Service Technician in Los Angeles, CA

    

    

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   Neutral Outlook

   Pros

   you dont have to work very hard, and you dont have to know much becasue call the office in michigan and thy will tell you what to do

   Cons

   it takes a while for some one to get back to you from product support in michigan , and if you order parts -- you have to tell the customer that it will be 4 to 6 weeks and they don't like that at all

   Advice to Management

   they act like the customer is import and matters-- but the customer really dont not matter

    
3. Jun 10, 2015

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   "Stay where you are."

   StarStarStarStarStar

   Current Employee - Salary Office Support in Holland, MI

    

    

   Doesn't Recommend

    

   Negative Outlook

   I have been working at Thermotron full-time

   Pros

   The people who work there are overall good people. The president is also good. Its the owner that's bad news.